Paleonet: Known First as Fossils

Carrie Schweitzer cschweit at kent.edu
Wed Mar 7 22:19:31 GMT 2007


Hello,
Has anyone mentioned Glypheid lobsters?  They were first described from the
fossil record and later recorded as living genera.
Cheers,
Carrie


On 3/7/07, Mario Cournoyer <paleovision at videotron.ca> wrote:
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> Hi all!
>
> I'm not sure but, what about graptolites??  In the early 1990 living forms
> similar and (I think even) related to graptolites were found and proved to
> be usefull in understanding graptolite anatomy...!!!  I may be completely
> off, or out of date on this issue!
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> Hope somebody can confirm or deny this info...
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>
> Mario
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>  Mario Cournoyer
> *Musée de Paléontologie et de l'Évolution*
> 541 de la Congrégation
> Montréal, Québec
> Canada  H3K 2J1
> Tel : (514) 933-2422
> Fax : (514) 933-4095
> paleovision at videotron.ca
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>  On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Virginie Millien wrote:
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>  Hello,
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> Another two examples of rodents:
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> -          The Laotian rat published in Science in March 2006 which
> belongs to the Diatomyidae; the group was known only as fossil (extinct 11
> Ma ago ) before this discovery.
>
> -          Mus cyprianus, form Cyprus, rediscovered as a living species in
> October 2006. This species was only known from archeological record,
> pre-human settlement in Cyprus.
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> Virginie
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> Dr. Virginie Millien
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> Paleontology & Zoology Curator / Conservatrice Paléontologie & Zoologie
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> Redpath Museum, McGill University
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> 859 Sherbrooke Street West
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> Montreal (QC) H3A 2K6, Canada
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> ph.: (514) 398-4086, ext 00953#
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> fax: (514) 398-3185
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> http://www.redpath-staff.mcgill.ca/virginie/
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> *From:* paleonet-bounces+virginie.millien=mcgill.ca at nhm.ac.uk [
> mailto:paleonet-bounces <paleonet-bounces>+virginie.millien=
> mcgill.ca at nhm.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *"Nieves López Martínez"
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 10:03 AM
> *To:* PaleoNet
> *Subject:* Re: Paleonet: Known First as Fossils
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> Another example of a species firts described as a fossil, then discovered
> as a living species is *Baleaphryne muletensis* Sanchiz & Adrover 1977,
> described as an extinct, primitive paleo-endemic toad species of the family
> Discoglossidae from Balearic Islands. In 1980, some small living population
> were discovered at the north of Majorca Island (Hemmer and Alcover, 1984).
> The local people named this toad "*ferretet*". Caryological and* *molecular
> studies reinterpreted its relationships, considering it as a neo-endemic
> species derived from *Alytes obstetricans* (the midwife toad). The species
> was thus transferred to the genus *Alytes *and renamed as *A. muletensis*(Sanchiz & Adrover 1977)
> *.*
> The reviewers Hemmer and Alcover considered this species as a "living
> fossil" because "it was first discovered as a fossil". However, the concept
> of "living fossil" is different (a taxon with very stable phenotype through
> time), and their re-evaluation of the *Baleaphryne *phylogeny as a recent,
> derived  species of midwife toad contradicts this concept.
> By the way, this is another case of strongly incongruent phylogenies based
> on skeletal morphology *versus *molecular evidence.
>
> Nieves López-Martínez
> Universidad Complutense
> Madrid, Spain
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>
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> De: Carl Mehling <cosm at amnh.org>
> Fecha: Martes, Marzo 6, 2007 11:00 pm
> Asunto: Paleonet: Known First as Fossils
> A: paleonet at nhm.ac.uk, vrtpaleo at usc.edu
>
> > Dear all,
> > Latimeria and Metasequoia are prime examples of taxa known as
> > fossils
> > before being found extant. What other examples are out there in
> > the literature?
> > Thanks,
> > Carl
> >
> >
> > Carl Mehling
> > Fossil Amphibian, Reptile, and Bird Collections
> > Division of Paleontology
> > American Museum of Natural History
> > Central Park West @79th Street
> > New York, NY  10024
> > (212) 769-5849
> > Fax: (212) 769-5842
> > cosm at amnh.org
> >
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Dr. Carrie E. Schweitzer
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