Paleonet: A reply to an Open Letter in Support of Digital DataArchiving

MStyzen at nobleenergyinc.com MStyzen at nobleenergyinc.com
Mon Mar 28 19:18:45 GMT 2011


As an industrial scientist, I'm affected by this, but I feel that I am
missing the some of the nuances that I should be getting to really form an
opinion.  I know Academics live and die by publication, and having not only
citations, but the right kind of citations (from the proper publications)
is vitally important.  It's a whole different world.  Please keep the
discussion online.  I'm learning from it!

Mike Styzen
Senior Biostratigraphic Advisor
Noble Energy Inc.
Direct: 281-874-6771




From:	Jere Lipps <jlipps at berkeley.edu>
To:	PaleoNet <paleonet at nhm.ac.uk>
Date:	03/28/2011 02:10 PM
Subject:	Re: Paleonet: A reply to an Open Letter in Support of Digital
            DataArchiving
Sent by:	paleonet-bounces at nhm.ac.uk



I think it's fine to talk about these things.  Most of us can hit delete
when we get tired of it.  In the meantime, it is a critical issue of
major importance, and fully worth discussing by someone.


On 3/28/2011 1:41 PM, Ross Mounce wrote:
> Dear Jon, (with apologies to all fellow PaleoNet-ters)
>
> I would much prefer to have debate out in the open, on the Internet,
> where everyone can have their say and everything is recorded for
> prosperity (~ archived) BUT since PaleoNet subscribers may not have
> necessarily subscribed to hear us argue the tiniest details of data
> archiving, I shall refrain from making any more comment on this issue
> here.
>
> (However, if anyone else wants to express their opinions on this matter,
> as always I encourage this.)
>
>
> I'm not entirely sure what benefit a verbal debate in Bristol will have,
> for either of us, or the wider-community, but if I have time, I'll try
> and be there for it.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> Ross
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 17:12 +0000, jonathan antcliffe wrote:
>
>> Dear Ross,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m afraid that rather than choosing to answer any of my points
>> substantively and move the debate forward you have just quoted me out
>> of context on numerous occasions. I suggest that now we wait for the
>> opinions of others to come forward rather than us getting in to a
>> quibble via email. This is why we invited you to come and discuss this
>> with us at Bristol.... so that we can move this entirely sensible
>> project forward but in a way that is constructive rather than
>> combative.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to also fully endorse the points made by Lucy Muir and
>> Joe Botting, in particular that many of the powers demanded by the
>> open letter already reside with editors and that there is no obvious
>> case for handcuffing their professional judgement in this matter which
>> by necessity will be subtle and case appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Dr. Jonathan Antcliffe
>>
>> Royal Commission Research Fellow
>>
>> Department of Earth Sciences
>>
>> University of Bristol
>>
>> UK
>>
>>
>>
>

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