Paleonet: help with identifying fossil casts

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Mon Dec 12 22:15:09 UTC 2022

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Amazing, $8.00 for such beauties!  Very cool, thanks Warren and Ellen for this wonderful solved mystery!

On Dec 12, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Thomas, Ellen <ellen.thomas at<mailto:ellen.thomas at>> wrote:


Hi Warren,
The two specimens are both Ward’s; we have copies of the same two specimens at Wesleyan University in the Joe Webb Peoples Museum, with catalog numbers/original Ward’s labels.  In the 1866 catalog, we are looking at No. 220 (Ichthyosaurus tenuirostris catalog; nowadays classified as Leptonectes tenuirostris) and No 255 Teleosaurus longipes, both a bit more than 4 ft long (nowadays classified as Steneosaurus or Macrospondylus bollensis). I attach a copy of our ichthyosaur specimen before restoration for comparison.

Ellen Thomas
Senior Research Scientist
Earth & Planetary Sciences
Yale University

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From: Paleonet < at< at>> on behalf of Lambers, P.H. (Paul) <P.H.Lambers at<mailto:P.H.Lambers at>>
Date: Monday, December 12, 2022 at 10:40
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Subject: Re: Paleonet: help with identifying fossil casts

Hi Warren,

Did you check the Ward catalogues, which are online available?
Mineralienkontor Dr. A./ F. Krantz (Berlin / Bonn) could otherwise be the supplier. Most of these casts were sold by Krantz. Krantz and Ward had similar (same) casts in their catalogue.


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These two casts – an ichthyosaur and a teleosaur -- are in the PRI collection and we are trying to determine where the original specimens might be. We don’t think they are part of the collection of casts from Ward’s Natural Science Establishment, but they might be. Any suggestions appreciated.


Warren D. Allmon
Director, Paleontological Research Institution

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