Paleonet: Publishing houses turned crazy

Rasser, Michael W. michael.rasser at
Tue Oct 10 06:49:16 UTC 2023

Dear Bruno,
I can understand your problem, but there are good reasons for this rule.
Working at a museum by myself, I can confirm that "the musem will get my
collection later" does not always happen!
My recommendation in such a  case would be as follows: Find a museums
curator that knows about the scientific relevance of your material and your
studies, and donate the thin section(s) in question to the museum. But
first, make an agreement that you will get the thin section as a permanent
loan. Then the thin section will receive an official registration number,
you can publish it, and still work on it, but the museum is the official
Would this work for you?
Greetings, Michael


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Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2023 um 19:54 Uhr schrieb <brcgranier at>:

> Dear Paleoneters,
> I assume I am not the only one in Paleonet to have had a similar
> experience.
> Many editors-in-chief have now special requests following rules erected by
> their publishing houses (below is an excerpt of Elsevier's)
> *Repository of studied and illustrated material*
> All the figured (and) studied material has to be adequately curated in a
> recognized institution, so as to guarantee the replicability of research.
> State in "Material and methods" the institutional repository of the studied
> material (samples, thin sections and fossils), and in the figure captions
> the curatorial museum numbers of all illustrated specimens.
> These people have no idea of what a "working collection" is!
> I work with thin sections and sometimes I found various microfossils that
> comprise specimens from discrete groups requiring discrete studies.
> I am the corresponding member of a national museum and my collections
> (mine and those I inherited ... one of them consists of sets of thin
> sections from some 10,000 samples with fossil algae and foraminifers among
> other microfossils) will end there at a later date.
> But today I am not ready to send to this repository material I am still
> working on ... investigating other microfossils. In addition, it would not
> be a good idea to get a museum numbering disrupting the order of the
> collection. For instance, when writing my latest manuscript, I used thin
> sections 2543 (a), 2547 (b) [not a ...], 6925(a), 7276 (d) [not a, b, c
> ...], 8292 (a), 8303 (a), 8471 (a) of the X's collection following the
> original labelling of this researcher.
> I believe it should be sufficient to write a statement that the collection
> is a "working collection" that will be relocated in a Museum at a later
> date.
> In the meantime, I have retracted the "accepted manuscript" (i.e.,
> accepted pending that I provide curatorial museum numbers) and resubmitted
> it to another journal, which will imply to pass a new peer-review screening
> =(
> ?) Bruno Granier
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