Paleonet: Publishing houses turned crazy

Tue Oct 10 07:29:43 UTC 2023

To echo Michael's comments, most the palynology material I've worked and
published on was accessioned to the British Geological Survey, who provide
a sample number for the slide/stub, and then specimen numbers for each
figured individual critter.

At the same time, unless depositing in the collections immediately, they
provide a loan form - this ensures that the specimens in the paper are
immediately traceable/findable through their catalogues and specimen
numbers, which isn't always possible when things reside in individual's
collections.  If a reader wants to study a specimen, they can contact the
museum where it's housed and it can be recalled from the scientist who has
it on loan.

Otherwise, having an individual's own collection numbers in a published
paper will cause confusion for anyone later trying to track it down
(particularly if the details of where it will be accessioned aren't in the
paper), when they are later accessioned and given new numbers etc. - much
easier and better practise to do this right from the outset.

As far as I was aware, this has been standard practise since the year dot,
and am surprised that any journals deviate from it.

Just my two cents though.

All the best,

Tony,

On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 07:50, Rasser, Michael W. <michael.rasser at smns-bw.de>
wrote:

> Dear Bruno,
> I can understand your problem, but there are good reasons for this rule.
> Working at a museum by myself, I can confirm that "the musem will get my
> collection later" does not always happen!
> My recommendation in such a  case would be as follows: Find a museums
> curator that knows about the scientific relevance of your material and your
> studies, and donate the thin section(s) in question to the museum. But
> first, make an agreement that you will get the thin section as a permanent
> loan. Then the thin section will receive an official registration number,
> you can publish it, and still work on it, but the museum is the official
> owner.
> Would this work for you?
> Greetings, Michael
>
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> Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2023 um 19:54 Uhr schrieb <brcgranier at free.fr>:
>
>> Dear Paleoneters,
>>
>> I assume I am not the only one in Paleonet to have had a similar
>> experience.
>>
>> Many editors-in-chief have now special requests following rules erected
>> by their publishing houses (below is an excerpt of Elsevier's)
>>
>> *Repository of studied and illustrated material*
>> All the figured (and) studied material has to be adequately curated in a
>> recognized institution, so as to guarantee the replicability of research.
>> State in "Material and methods" the institutional repository of the studied
>> material (samples, thin sections and fossils), and in the figure captions
>> the curatorial museum numbers of all illustrated specimens.
>>
>> These people have no idea of what a "working collection" is!
>>
>> I work with thin sections and sometimes I found various microfossils that
>> comprise specimens from discrete groups requiring discrete studies.
>>
>> I am the corresponding member of a national museum and my collections
>> (mine and those I inherited ... one of them consists of sets of thin
>> sections from some 10,000 samples with fossil algae and foraminifers among
>> other microfossils) will end there at a later date.
>>
>> But today I am not ready to send to this repository material I am still
>> working on ... investigating other microfossils. In addition, it would not
>> be a good idea to get a museum numbering disrupting the order of the
>> collection. For instance, when writing my latest manuscript, I used thin
>> sections 2543 (a), 2547 (b) [not a ...], 6925(a), 7276 (d) [not a, b, c
>> ...], 8292 (a), 8303 (a), 8471 (a) of the X's collection following the
>> original labelling of this researcher.
>>
>> I believe it should be sufficient to write a statement that the
>> collection is a "working collection" that will be relocated in a Museum at
>> a later date.
>>
>> In the meantime, I have retracted the "accepted manuscript" (i.e.,
>> accepted pending that I provide curatorial museum numbers) and resubmitted
>> it to another journal, which will imply to pass a new peer-review screening
>> =(
>>
>> ?) Bruno Granier
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