Paleonet: Publishing houses turned crazy

Thomas, Ellen ellen.thomas at
Tue Oct 10 10:26:01 UTC 2023

Dear all,
I fully agree with Michael, and this method is how I am dealing with my foram collection. However, it is made easier for me since the Yale Peabody is just cross the hallway from my office. I specifically think that the donation followed by loan is important for old people (including myself) – we tend to have large collections, and if we were to pass away without dealing with our collections there is a large chance that collections are thrown away, unless they are not marked as being property of a museum collection.

Ellen Thomas
Senior Research Scientist
Earth & Planetary Sciences
Yale University

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From: Paleonet < at> on behalf of Rasser, Michael W. <michael.rasser at>
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 02:59
To: PaleoNet <paleonet at>
Subject: Re: Paleonet: Publishing houses turned crazy
Dear Bruno,
I can understand your problem, but there are good reasons for this rule. Working at a museum by myself, I can confirm that "the musem will get my collection later" does not always happen!
My recommendation in such a  case would be as follows: Find a museums curator that knows about the scientific relevance of your material and your studies, and donate the thin section(s) in question to the museum. But first, make an agreement that you will get the thin section as a permanent loan. Then the thin section will receive an official registration number, you can publish it, and still work on it, but the museum is the official owner.
Would this work for you?
Greetings, Michael
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Am Mo., 9. Okt. 2023 um 19:54 Uhr schrieb <brcgranier at<mailto:brcgranier at>>:

Dear Paleoneters,

I assume I am not the only one in Paleonet to have had a similar experience.

Many editors-in-chief have now special requests following rules erected by their publishing houses (below is an excerpt of Elsevier's)

Repository of studied and illustrated material
All the figured (and) studied material has to be adequately curated in a recognized institution, so as to guarantee the replicability of research. State in "Material and methods" the institutional repository of the studied material (samples, thin sections and fossils), and in the figure captions the curatorial museum numbers of all illustrated specimens.

These people have no idea of what a "working collection" is!

I work with thin sections and sometimes I found various microfossils that comprise specimens from discrete groups requiring discrete studies.

I am the corresponding member of a national museum and my collections (mine and those I inherited ... one of them consists of sets of thin sections from some 10,000 samples with fossil algae and foraminifers among other microfossils) will end there at a later date.

But today I am not ready to send to this repository material I am still working on ... investigating other microfossils. In addition, it would not be a good idea to get a museum numbering disrupting the order of the collection. For instance, when writing my latest manuscript, I used thin sections 2543 (a), 2547 (b) [not a ...], 6925(a), 7276 (d) [not a, b, c ...], 8292 (a), 8303 (a), 8471 (a) of the X's collection following the original labelling of this researcher.

I believe it should be sufficient to write a statement that the collection is a "working collection" that will be relocated in a Museum at a later date.

In the meantime, I have retracted the "accepted manuscript" (i.e., accepted pending that I provide curatorial museum numbers) and resubmitted it to another journal, which will imply to pass a new peer-review screening =(

?) Bruno Granier
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