Paleonet: Earth Science Women's Network Event - The Two Body Problem in USA Academia - November 7th 1900 UTC

[Tom Dignes]

You are absolutely correct, Christina. The hiring decision itself is where
such information may not be used.

All the more reason to firmly NOT RESPOND to such irrelevant questions.

If your potential employer insists on asking such things, it’s a very good
sign you have applied to the wrong place to work. My advice - look
elsewhere immediately, and share your experience there with everyone you
know.

Best,

Tom

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 5:30 PM Cristina Robins <cristina.robins at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is a common misconception. In the US, it is NOT illegal to ask about
> family status, religion, etc., but it is illegal to make decisions based
> upon the answers. Individual states vary on how strict the protections are,
> especially regarding non-heteronormative relationships. This means that
> some companies prohibit those questions in interviews to avoid the
> perception of bias, but there is no law against asking.
> The two-body problem often impacts female academics more than males, as
> there are a larger proportion of women who are partnered with other
> academics, but it is quite difficult for all involved.
>
> Cristina M. Robins, PhD
>
> Instructor, Geography and the Environment
>
> The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/>
> crobins at ua.edu
> [image: The University of Alabama single line nameplate design without box
> A] <https://www.ua.edu/>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:55 PM Tom Dignes <tom.dignes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is illegal in the United States for job interviewers to ask about
>> one’s family status, so I certainly wouldn’t answer questions along those
>> lines if I was presented with them. And, as a long time interviewer myself,
>> I NEVER went there.
>>
>> Yes, that is serious stuff. None of it is anyone’s business but your own.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:44 PM Weil, Anne <anne.weil at okstate.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> “Two-body problem” = Having a partner who would also prefer to be
>>> employed in academia, faculty jobs being notorious as geographic
>>> randomizers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Paleonet <paleonet-bounces+anne.weil=okstate.edu at paleonet.org> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Tom Dignes
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>>> *Subject:* Re: Paleonet: Earth Science Women's Network Event - The Two
>>> Body Problem in USA Academia - November 7th 1900 UTC
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>>> Please confirm my guess on this. Is the “two-body problem” mentioned
>>> here that of ‘having a spouse’?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 7:35 PM Earth Science Women's Network Events <
>>> events at eswnonline.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear paleonet community,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you considering applying for a faculty position in the USA this
>>> year? Facing a two-body problem? Worried if you should include this
>>> information in your application package, or during the interview?
>>>
>>>
>>> The Earth Science Women’s Network will be hosting a webinar on *November
>>> 7, 2023, at 2:00 pm Eastern Time (19:00 UTC)* to answer all these
>>> questions and many others. A panel of assistant/associate professors within
>>> multiple earth science disciplines will share their experiences and
>>> “lessons learned”, and answer your questions. This workshop is geared
>>> towards graduate students and post-docs considering an academic career in
>>> the USA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We will be joined by:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Rachel Bernard - Assistant Professor, Department of Geology, Amherst
>>> College
>>>
>>> - Alexandria Johnson - Assistant Professor, Department of Earth,
>>> Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, Purdue University
>>>
>>> - Katherine (Kat) Allen - Associate Professor, School of Earth and
>>> Climate Sciences, University of Maine
>>>
>>> - Maria Rugenstein - Assistant Professor, Department of Atmospheric
>>> Science, Colorado State University
>>>
>>>
>>> There will also be an opportunity to network with our speakers after the
>>> panel discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Register here: https://forms.gle/G5WCoQ7hkjKxK8se8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have any questions, please email us on events [at]
>>> eswnonline [dot] org
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope to e-see you soon,
>>> The ESWN Board and Associate Board of Directors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> *Earth Science Women's Network Member Events Committee*
>>> Professor Karin Ardon-Dryer (Earth Science Women’s Network Member Events
>>> Co-Chair)
>>> Dr. Rehemat Bhatia (Earth Science Women’s Network Member Events Co-Chair)
>>> Find out more about ESWN: https://eswnonline.org/
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