Paleonet: Earth Science Women's Network Event - The Two Body Problem in USA Academia - November 7th 1900 UTC

Sun Oct 15 15:00:45 UTC 2023

Hello,

I noticed there were several replies to our latest advertisement, therefore
I am sending a clarification.

The two body problem refers to a challenge many couples in academia face
when trying to obtain a job in the same institution or city/region. We are
hosting this event to enable us to provide support to those facing this
challenge and respond to community needs.

Paleonet is a useful mailing list for us to reach the palaeo-science
community as our events are targeted towards everyone within the Earth and
Environmental Sciences community.  We encourage you to send our
advertisement for the November event to your students, colleagues and those
you know who might be interested and find the content supportive (it is
open to everyone and free).

If anyone has any questions about the event or the Earth Science Women's
Network please let us know via events at eswnonline.org - we are more than
happy to help.

Hope everyone is having a great week so far.

Best wishes,
Rehemat
(on behalf of the Earth Science Women's Network Member Events Committee)

On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 5:02 AM Jere H. Lipps <jlipps at berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Usually in my experience at Berkeley is that both people apply at the same
> time, so they are independent decisions.  Obviously we know about their
> relationship and that surely influences decisions but the actual interviews
> do not ask about that, or should not.
> More commonly was when one person already has the job and wants their mate
> or friend hired too.  At one point, we had 19 of these in the same year and
> only had one slot we could fill.  Very difficult and we could not develop a
> solution within the University. Usually the one on the faculty would
> threaten to leave.
>
> Jere
> Jere H. Lipps
> jlipps at berkeley.edu
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 6:03 PM Tom Dignes <tom.dignes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You are absolutely correct, Christina. The hiring decision itself is
>> where such information may not be used.
>>
>> All the more reason to firmly NOT RESPOND to such irrelevant questions.
>>
>> If your potential employer insists on asking such things, it’s a very
>> good sign you have applied to the wrong place to work. My advice - look
>> elsewhere immediately, and share your experience there with everyone you
>> know.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 5:30 PM Cristina Robins <
>> cristina.robins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a common misconception. In the US, it is NOT illegal to ask
>>> about family status, religion, etc., but it is illegal to make decisions
>>> based upon the answers. Individual states vary on how strict the
>>> protections are, especially regarding non-heteronormative relationships.
>>> This means that some companies prohibit those questions in interviews to
>>> avoid the perception of bias, but there is no law against asking.
>>> The two-body problem often impacts female academics more than males, as
>>> there are a larger proportion of women who are partnered with other
>>> academics, but it is quite difficult for all involved.
>>>
>>> Cristina M. Robins, PhD
>>>
>>> Instructor, Geography and the Environment
>>>
>>> The University of Alabama <https://www.ua.edu/>
>>> crobins at ua.edu
>>> [image: The University of Alabama single line nameplate design without
>>> box A] <https://www.ua.edu/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:55 PM Tom Dignes <tom.dignes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is illegal in the United States for job interviewers to ask about
>>>> one’s family status, so I certainly wouldn’t answer questions along those
>>>> lines if I was presented with them. And, as a long time interviewer myself,
>>>> I NEVER went there.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is serious stuff. None of it is anyone’s business but your
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 2:44 PM Weil, Anne <anne.weil at okstate.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> “Two-body problem” = Having a partner who would also prefer to be
>>>>> employed in academia, faculty jobs being notorious as geographic
>>>>> randomizers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Paleonet <paleonet-bounces+anne.weil=okstate.edu at paleonet.org>
>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Tom Dignes
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2023 6:44 PM
>>>>> *To:* PaleoNet <paleonet at paleonet.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Paleonet: Earth Science Women's Network Event - The
>>>>> Two Body Problem in USA Academia - November 7th 1900 UTC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Please confirm my guess on this. Is the “two-body problem” mentioned
>>>>> here that of ‘having a spouse’?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 7:35 PM Earth Science Women's Network Events <
>>>>> events at eswnonline.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear paleonet community,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you considering applying for a faculty position in the USA this
>>>>> year? Facing a two-body problem? Worried if you should include this
>>>>> information in your application package, or during the interview?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Earth Science Women’s Network will be hosting a webinar on *November
>>>>> 7, 2023, at 2:00 pm Eastern Time (19:00 UTC)* to answer all these
>>>>> questions and many others. A panel of assistant/associate professors within
>>>>> multiple earth science disciplines will share their experiences and
>>>>> “lessons learned”, and answer your questions. This workshop is geared
>>>>> towards graduate students and post-docs considering an academic career in
>>>>> the USA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We will be joined by:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rachel Bernard - Assistant Professor, Department of Geology, Amherst
>>>>> College
>>>>>
>>>>> - Alexandria Johnson - Assistant Professor, Department of Earth,
>>>>> Atmospheric, and Planetary Sciences, Purdue University
>>>>>
>>>>> - Katherine (Kat) Allen - Associate Professor, School of Earth and
>>>>> Climate Sciences, University of Maine
>>>>>
>>>>> - Maria Rugenstein - Assistant Professor, Department of Atmospheric
>>>>> Science, Colorado State University
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There will also be an opportunity to network with our speakers after
>>>>> the panel discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Register here: https://forms.gle/G5WCoQ7hkjKxK8se8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions, please email us on events [at]
>>>>> eswnonline [dot] org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope to e-see you soon,
>>>>> The ESWN Board and Associate Board of Directors
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Earth Science Women's Network Member Events Committee*
>>>>> Professor Karin Ardon-Dryer (Earth Science Women’s Network Member
>>>>> Events Co-Chair)
>>>>> Dr. Rehemat Bhatia (Earth Science Women’s Network Member Events
>>>>> Co-Chair)
>>>>> Find out more about ESWN: https://eswnonline.org/
>>>>>
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*Earth Science Women's Network Member Events Committee*
Professor Karin Ardon-Dryer (Earth Science Women’s Network Member Events
Co-Chair)
Dr. Rehemat Bhatia (Earth Science Women’s Network Member Events Co-Chair)
Find out more about ESWN: https://eswnonline.org/
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